Innovation Solar Energy Future
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Hello, everybody.
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Hello, LinkedIn YouTube viewers.
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It's three PM in Central Europe,
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two PM in the United Kingdom,
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and nine AM US East Coast.
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Today with me is Kai Buntrock,
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CEO of Outarc, company that is about to
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revolutionize solar panel industry.
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Hello, Kai. How are you doing?
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I'm alright, Mike. Welcome to everybody.
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Thanks for having me.
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And,
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I would limit the revolution that we do to the building
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integrated solar market and lesser solar wider, but,
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we'll dig into that during the course of our discussion.
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Certainly, we will.
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Could you tell a few words about the history behind the
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company, few words about yourself so our our
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audience could have a bit of orientation?
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Absolutely.
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So Altoc is a Germany based company founded ten
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years ago by Cornelius Paola.
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So he's the reason I'm I'm sitting here.
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He thought of building integrated
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photovoltaics being the next frontier,
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and he wanted to have it an easy use case,
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a plug and play.
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The looks need to be beautiful, so that's the baseline.
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But in terms of installation and operations,
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it should be safe and easy.
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So that's where he, in a couple of iterations,
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developed what we today call our fourth generation of the
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solar tile, solar roof tile.
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And our target GmbH is a fully vertically
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integrated design and engineering climate tech.
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We design and engineer product and process when it
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from the solar module manufacturing all the way to
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the power electronics, and we control the
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manufacturing processes, which are largely allocated in
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Europe already today.
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Okay.
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Which is which is quite important factor, right,
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because of the supply chains and so on?
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Definitely.
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So it's it's it's about local
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value adding functions to localize that as good as we can.
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The second element is, of course, supply chain,
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and the third element is resilience to potential shock
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because we control the manufacturing and supply side
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as best as we can while at the same time keeping all
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flexibilities when it comes to base materials.
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So this, I guess, sets us apart from larger players in in that
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field and gives us a nice niche advantage in the building
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integrated PV segment.
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Thank you very much for this. Okay.
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Let's talk about the industry itself.
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Solar panel photovoltaics industry is booming.
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You could tell it by driving around Germany,
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driving around Western Europe, also here in Poland.
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We have been noticing in recent months for various
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reasons, jumping and dropping down costs of electric
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power from various sources,
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and the global capacity or demand for photovoltaics
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according to my information is increasing.
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Yes? How does it look like from your perspective?
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What are your forecasts?
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How do you foresee for at least the upcoming five
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years for you?
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The direction is gonna remain as has for the last couple of decades.
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It's only knowing one direction, which is, growth.
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Everybody, be it the IEC,
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be it Bloomberg and New Energy Finance,
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have had difficulty to really hit the numbers in terms of
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future growth because it always over
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overachieved.
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So we see that trend obviously remaining over the next five
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years in particular, but beyond that as well.
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We see growth in different segments.
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You obviously have the large and utility scale installations
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across the globe.
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You have, however, a growing number of residential
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installations as well.
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And setting all the macroeconomics and politics
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aside, today, the power generation,
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electricity generation from photovoltaics is the
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cheapest source of energy in largest parts of our globe.
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And it simply makes sense in terms of economics and in terms
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of resilience, and therefore,
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we see only one direction which is which is growth.
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The challenges that we see in that regard is the supply.
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So that is an interesting part we can touch upon later.
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And the installation as well as operation and maintenance of
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these systems because that ask for a shift in
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workforce, and that is definitely a mid to long
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term effort that we need to see in
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the industry, not only in Central Europe but across the globe.
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So that's interesting times and a lot of opportunity.
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Okay. If you could tell a few words about the challenges.
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Yes?
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What are the challenges for such rapidly growing industry?
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Now that the the industry growth as a whole,
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So you as a individual player not
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having the the size and capacity as
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others may have,
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you run into a disadvantage when it comes to your sourcing ability.
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So economies of scale, obviously,
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always add to the picture,
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but of extreme importance in this environment in order to
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to secure your supply and at the same time secure it
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at appropriate and adequate price levels.
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So this is definitely a challenge.
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And larger players today obviously have an advantage.
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We, in particular, are in a niche where we decided,
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as I explained earlier on,
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to vertically integrate as much of the supply chain as as
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the production chain, and I must rather say as we can
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In order to make us more independent to those to
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those implications and effects.
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Being a niche of a niche,
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what building integrated photovoltaics still remains
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today makes it obviously easy because
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the the sheer volumes that we need to source are
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by far different than those of traditional rooftop solar
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installations or even than the the larger utility scale
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installations.
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So this is definitely a challenge that everybody faces.
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As is a climate tech in Europe producing own
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building integrated technology,
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one of the challenges is to convince investor base that
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taking on production risk into your portfolio is a good idea.
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Now the the market environment as such, you know, growth only,
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but still there's a large negative sentiment on the
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investor and financier side to actually finance
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production capacity in solar, in particular,
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within Europe due to the lessons learned over the last
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couple of decades.
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That is a challenge not only to us, but to others as well,
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limiting the build out that actually would be needed just
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for the energy transition within Europe.
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And another
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hurdle that we see is the the workforce
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dedicated to solar.
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And the moment we move away from utility scale where you
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have reached great efficiencies and
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partial automation capabilities.
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In residential solar and rooftop and or building
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integrated as our talk provides it,
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you need to be able to service individual houses.
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So the numbers needed workforce
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to actually install and to operate those systems that
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needs to grow dramatically and all within that
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residential solar focused industry today in Germany and
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beyond have the one huge challenge to find the people
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who actually wanna work with us,
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have the adequate training and experience in
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order to provide the greatest possible benefit.
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So this is the three major challenges that I see,
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supply chain, finance, and access to human
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talent In that regard.
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And that remains the same, I believe,
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for the entire industry.
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Okay. Thank you very much for this.
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What I noticed on your website and when we had the chance to
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talk autumn last year, I noticed this beautiful line
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that I really like, the next level roofs.
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What is the basis?
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What is so innovative about the outdoor itself,
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about your product?
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Thanks for asking, Mike.
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So the innovative part that
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differentiates our talk most to all traditional
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rooftop solar and the newcomers in billing
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integrated PV is our orientation towards the
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greatest possible user advantage.
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We like to compare it to the Apple way of doing things.
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So you come from the user experience and you develop your
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technology to best suit that user experience,
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which led us to the way that we completely redesigned and
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that's why we manufacture it ourselves in miniaturized solar
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module that fits onto a standard
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solar roof tile.
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So we use as a carrier tile an existing roof tile and we
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miniaturize the PV technology to best fit that
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particular dimension.
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The next part is when you have that, you need to connect it.
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You make need to make the connection easy.
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You need to make it safe.
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So we designed and manufacture, which is
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actually secured by patent, our own
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connectors and the wire harness.
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That allows the system to actually operate in safety
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extra low voltage, so you don't need to be an electrician to
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actually do the installation on the roof.
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And thereby, the second dimension that is so close to our orientation is we
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wanna provide all existing stakeholders in the supply
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chain and in the value chain their ability to add value to
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their own business and to their customers.
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So we basically talk to the roofers trade where
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we say, you roofers have all you need at hand
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to actually take be take your role in the energy transition,
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provide building integrated photovoltaics in a safe and
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easy manner without you needing to train
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extensively to to become an electrician.
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So the safety extra low voltage and parallel
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circuit allows the Altac system to be installed
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fully by roofless without an extreme or
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additional training on the electrical side.
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And at the same time,
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in order to then bring those levels up to standard operating
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voltages, we have designed and manufacture our
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own PV booster as we call it.
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That is then the connecting point to all
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standard PV inverters that you use anyhow.
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So we wanna make it easy for everybody in the supply chain
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and the value chain.
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We want to have an intriguing product to the
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customer and users along the different stages,
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And that is what I would say differentiates us from the
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remainder of the traditional and new up and coming
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billing integrated PV players, whereas they say we
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make process and dimensions work for solar.
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We take solar, and we make it work for existing dimension and capability.
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K. Thank you very much for this.
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Basing on our previous conversations,
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what I've learned is that your ambition is to become actually
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the leading provider of solar tiles
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in Europe.
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Yes.
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And as I can hear, you aim to reach, like,
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difficult players among the market.
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Yeah? Because it's not just individuals.
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These are also companies.
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So what are your ambitions about this?
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What are the main directions that Altark is currently
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taking as a path to reach wide audience?
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Yes?
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Yeah.
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It's our go to market strategy and what we think that we do best.
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We actually are a climate technology company,
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and we provide building integrated photovoltaic
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functionality to existing traditional stakeholders within industry.
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Meaning, our b to b partners are represented through
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the roof tile Manufacturers.
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So roof tile manufacturers have a integral part to play in
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energy transition and building integrated PV.
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We enable them to do so.
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So they basically market their product carrying our top
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technology that we obviously wanna stand for in terms
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of quality and functionality
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Becoming thereby the category leader in Europe the
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least when it comes to solar roof tiles.
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Because we use standard roof tiles,
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we add the solar function.
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So in its purest sense,
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it is a solar roof tile that we provide.
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Our target wants to become category leader of that
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specific segment of building integrated photovoltaics,
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and we want to be what Intel is to other computer
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providers and and brands to the tile
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manufacturers, I.
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E.
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Enable their innovation, their empowerment when it comes
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to participating in the building integrated
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photovoltaic industry segment and being their playing their
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part in the energy transition.
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K. Thank you for this.
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As we are live on LinkedIn and YouTube,
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I would like to encourage the audience to ask questions.
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You can do this using comment section below the
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posts on LinkedIn and YouTube.
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We will see that we will see those questions, and we will,
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answer them in the second part of the show.
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Okay then.
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So,
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how does Outark harness digital tools to
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support the company growth?
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Yeah. That's the second key element, I would say.
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Digitalization of industry and our
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complex process environment is key to a
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mass market approach.
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If we wanted to remain in the niche,
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we could do it all by ourselves manual manually without any
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use of digital tools.
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We have opted to go completely different ways.
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So digitalization
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is a central element of our future evolution.
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And we wanna start by providing the users a great
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user experience starting from the configurator that they can
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use on our website where where they can basically configure
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their system and get an idea of what it would look like and
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potentially cost if they were to deploy a billing integrated
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PV solution. It starts from there.
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It then moves on to our business partners where we say,
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you wanna provide a
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solar
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yield
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specific offering to your customers in
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real time or as soon as you can.
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So we have created what is an offer tool.
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So this is the stage of actually where architects,
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planners, or even progressive roofers already are able
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to offer their client base and the entirety of the
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package where they say, this is how it would look like,
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this is the potential cost,
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and this is what it would actually yield in terms of
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power generated from your solar roof.
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Now the third element is then focused at the roofers
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themselves where we support their project management
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and different stages of realizing the installation.
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We provide a planning tool where they can actually see
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how the roof is should best be segmented into the
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solar function and non solar function tiles and how the
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overall system setup is best realized for
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their perspective.
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This, again, is part of this digital toolbox that we call
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Outac OS, our own operating system that will
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then be fully integrated through our web portal,
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which merits obviously is a large part because you guys
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support in in in developing that.
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So in in that regard, the question is, for time,
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digitalization is is a key element for the for
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the mass market approach of a product that we see here in
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building integrated PV to support all the stakeholders
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again along the entire value chain to do their jobs best
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possible and to provide transparency as early in the
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process as by any means realistic.
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K. Thank you. Thank you for this.
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What I noticed during our cooperation is a very strong
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focus on educational matters.
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Yes.
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The education of roofers, educations of architects,
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education of construction companies.
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I highly recommend to visit
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outarc dot com.
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This is the service which is continuously developed.
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I believe that it's a benchmark in many ways,
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in many fields in terms of design,
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in terms of development.
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We highly encourage everybody here to visit outark
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dot com.
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Speaking about Outark, if you could tell a bit
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where this name came from, what is the story behind the brand.
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Yes?
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I know it, but perhaps our audience would like to know it as well.
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There's a lot of about resilience.
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So I'll talk spanning from the Greek use of
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the words as being self sufficient in a certain way and element.
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And what our product suite and system solution would
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ideally provide to the customers and the users
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is an auto key in terms of their energy needs.
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Because from the generation of your electricity through
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solar from the roof all the way through your
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charging infrastructure in order to charge your electric
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car, to drive your
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smart home, be it be it the the the
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heating, the lighting, and all other needs of of
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electricity or power.
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That is what we are looking and strive to provide from from
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a single source structured around the the one
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element, the best user experience.
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So whereas today,
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customers would receive the solar roof tile
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plus the wire harness and the PV booster.
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We have third party elements that we provide when it comes
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to inverters and battery storage as well as charging solutions.
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The next evolutionary step for our talk is going to be to move
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closer to this outer p capability and to create
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own power electronics,
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combine the PV booster with a solar inverter functionality,
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add an energy management system on top,
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and allow to intelligently manage your battery storage
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and make use of your DC DC charging
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infrastructure with a clear interface to your to your smart
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home abilities.
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So this is the next evolutionary step,
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and that is what what people can expect from us when
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thinking of OTalk in order to reach Auto Key.
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Thank you very thank you very much.
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Personally, I'm a great fan of history.
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So it sounds familiar to me, something that I really, really like.
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But I guess that it's, I would say,
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the philosophy of your company, described in one one word.
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Yes.
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Because we are not talking about the as a consumer and
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producer of electricity, but also in terms of supply chains.
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Yeah. How your company is producing your tiles?
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How your company is distributing them?
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How your company is actually planning to eventually retain
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and to,
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deal with the leftovers coming from the production somewhere in the future?
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Yes? So Right.
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I guess that this may be, let's say,
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like a like a benchmark for also for different industries.
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Speaking about which,
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what is the advantage of Altar as of product delivered by
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Altar comparing to others from a perspective of a different
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user, from a individual who is building his or
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her home Yeah.
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And is aiming to reach this Altar key?
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Well, the greatest benefit is fantastic looks with
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an absolute safe functionality and
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the usability unrivaled usability.
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What do I mean by that?
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As it the looks is the baseline because unless it looks
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good, people won't consider.
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So the next level for us was that we brought on to the next
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level is the usability and functionality.
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So it functions
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without power electronics on the roof due to the
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design effort that we've put into that.
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So you have a parallel circuit that operates
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without any power electronics,
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meaning you don't need microinverters or optimizers on
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the roof because in in a lot of cases you have
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shadow situations and the so called shadow resilience is the
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highest in the altaic solar rooftop system due to that
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parallel circuit architecture that we have developed.
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Why is that a benefit to to the end user?
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You don't have to worry about power electronics to be
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exchanged or operated on your roof
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because that is a that adds complexity over the lifetime of
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your system and potentially cost.
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Because once in a lifetime in your
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solar arrays life, you will have to exchange your
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power electronics on the roof or off the roof.
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The same on our side with a with a PD booster that has a
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longer life because it's in house.
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The stress is different.
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Nevertheless, if anything needs to be done that is within the building
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envelope, easy access.
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Whereas when you have different solutions building
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integrated, they usually use power electronics
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optimizes all
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microinverters on the roof and study
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a Swiss study that came out just this week
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actually provided that roughly thirty thirty four
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percent of power electronics
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need to be exchanged after a fifteen year lifetime.
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So after fifteen years, your array will hold an
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easy thirty years.
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So once half through the life of your of your system,
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you will face the exchange of power electronics.
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So this is a benefit.
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The next benefit is you don't need to have special
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installation crews.
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So lead times from actually ordering to
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installation can be dramatically decreased because
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you take advantage of existing roofer capacity.
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You do your roof, you make use of a roofer,
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that's all you need.
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You don't need any specialized people to be trained on a
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particular system setup because all they need to do is a two
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day training to understand what are the
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specialties when it comes to the wire harness and how to
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best lay it out on on the roof.
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That's it.
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So we have the opportunity to match client interest
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with existing roofer capacity that again
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shortens time to market and delivery times
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for for the customers and ideally
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the the the installation cost reduction because you have one
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crew that comes once and does the roof once,
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and you don't have a sequential
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caretaking, especially when talking about rooftop solar.
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So this this is this is the second benefit and the the
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third benefit, safety.
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We really take utmost care to reduce any fire
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risk to the absolute minimum.
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So being a safety extra low voltage and parallel
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circuit operating below a hundred and twenty volts in
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direct current assures exactly that.
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So we have low current and low power,
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and and that reduces any potential fire risk as we're
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talking within the building integrated PV segment.
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You are close to any envelope materials
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yet that could potentially have then become a fire hazard.
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Whereas in traditional rooftop solar,
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you always have the the roof surface in between to
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safeguard any any risk that may occur.
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So this is this is a a definite element that one needs to
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take particular care of.
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We do that as well,
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and we believe that we have the leading system architecture
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in order to assure it.
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K. Thank you very much.
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We have a question from the audience coming.
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So
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Sohrab Jagalakar.
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Please excuse me if my pronunciation is wrong.
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Person from our audience is asking,
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I would like to understand how the Altarc system is able to
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integrate with existing PV systems if
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some customers wanted to add on their system.
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That's always the question, do you have roof area left?
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We we would say there the use case for the auto talk system
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is when you renovate your roof Or when you build new.
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And ninety five percent, because building industry is
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moving towards circularity and and has a stronger
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focus on sustainability We focus on renovation.
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So do you have a roof area left in order to add
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further solar capacity?
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Because what you would do,
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you would do away with your existing roof tile and exchange
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it through an
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technology carrying solar roof tile system
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from one of our partners, be it Skalpnir, be it Creaton,
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be it Jacobi Weiter.
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So this is the first question to be asked.
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Then it's just with any other aspect.
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Technically, that is an that is on the elect electrics side of
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things and and as to the capacities of your
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existing power electronics and whatever you have as a use
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case as an individual, you can then integrate the growing
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generation that you have achieved.
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Okay. Thank you very much for this.
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Another question coming from the audience.
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Konrad Sterenczak is asking, sorry if I'm if I
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have missed it, but what is the lead time for this product?
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Good question.
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It there's a theory and then there's practice.
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So in theory, you can have this product readily sitting on your
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front porch in six weeks.
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Whether that is then the same in real life along
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the entire supply chain when it comes from the wholesaler to
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the roofer, that is a different ballgame.
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What we can say is that we operate on thirty day
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notice periods with our b two b partners.
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So we have a road a rolling forecast of six month
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with a detailed thirty day delivery schedule.
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They then provide that to the product holding
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wholesalers, and they again then provide it to the roofers.
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So depending on demand in your specific region and the
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availability, that is the bottleneck, I guess,
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more so than the product of the installation capacity with the roofers.
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It can be very quick within weeks,
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or it takes longer at I.
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E, month.
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Actually, the question from our viewer leading toward
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another question because I'm in the process of
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renovating an apartment, which is completely different thing.
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But what would be the best moment for individual recipient
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to purchase your service while, for example,
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I'm buying myself a house which requires renovation, let's say,
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in the country or somewhere in Europe.
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Yes.
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I would like to renovate it,
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get as much as possible from it.
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So what would be possibly the best moment to order to
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order out?
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Or do I need to have the, let's say,
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architecture skeleton of the roof already ready?
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What would be the best stage to order your service?
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That is the best moment as you just said, Mike.
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So in terms of the layout,
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it would be good that you have your final layout available.
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Another strength that I didn't mention is that the
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Altag system is created in a way that the roofer can fully
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adapt on-site.
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Obviously, we have a planning,
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but we know what happens with life.
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Life is what happens while you're making other plans.
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So having a solution that is fully embedded in
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existing industry dimensions and workflows,
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the roofer can freely adapt on-site.
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Meaning, there is a roof window coming up at
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a certain area in the roof that wasn't planned before.
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It's not an issue. The roofer can react on-site.
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It's just a matter of how to actually lay the wire harness.
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The tiles themselves in their dimensions,
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they can basically do away with with the most
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complex topographies of the roof that you can imagine.
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So this this definitely is a good timing where you actually
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have an idea what the dimensions of your roof area
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would be, what the
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what the direction to the sun your roof will have,
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and when you then gain an idea of what is your energy usage yourself.
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Will you be using it for electricity only?
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Will you be heating? Will you be creating warm water?
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Will you be charging potentially your electrified
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mobility via the car or other elements?
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Will you be engaging in p two p trading in your neighborhood?
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So all those elements become of relevance,
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and that then gives you an indication of whether you want
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to maximize the energy generation from your available
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roof area or whether you want to optimize it to your use case.
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So the the the point in time would
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definitely be early enough when you have a a roof design.
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It is interest interesting to let your planner or architect
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know that you consider a billing integrated PV solution
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and that you know about the Altac system because still only
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one percent of users know about solar roof tile existence.
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To basically tell them while planning your roof that you're
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looking to use that system because that can positively
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impact the overall planning process due to the
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fact that architects, for example,
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don't need to consider specialties
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or peculiarities in order to make it
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the roof fit to the system because the the system fits
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itself to the roof.
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Okay. Thank you very much for this.
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I have a question, but another question comes from Konrad
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Sterenczak.
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Both are question
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both members of our audience are saying thank you for the answers.
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So, gentlemen, likewise,
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one more question.
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What is the upkeep of this product?
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What I mean by this is there are any running costs of the
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consumer should be aware of,
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like the cost following the installation?
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The most dramatic cost implications that any
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system, be it on the roof, roof integrated,
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be it out of or another system is, as we earlier touched upon,
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power electronics.
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After fifteen years,
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probability of you and the need to exchange your power
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electronics, microinverters, and optimizers is gonna
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dramatically increase.
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So this is going to be a hefty cost.
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So you better make sure that, a,
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you have the product available, and, b,
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you have easy access in order to arrange for that exchange,
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ideally, not to be not it to be necessary to climb onto your
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roof, take whatever you used as a cover off,
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and then exchange power electronics and put the solar
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function back on.
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So in that regard,
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our system is maintenance free over the lifetime when it comes
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to the roof, set aside dramatic weather events where you
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have a a tree hitting your
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roof and parts of that roof actually going out of function,
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but then again, you can add because of standard roof tile
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dimensions as soon as I'm by any means possible to make
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up for that loss.
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Other than that, we do not have any running cost.
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We do not see within a European context that it has
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specific cleaning necessities.
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Other than that, the wire harness as such is is fully
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secured due to its design and layout.
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Again, it's it's maintenance free.
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And what you need to face then is the PV booster,
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but that is going to be installed within the building
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envelope with easy access and that obviously then needs the
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main first first maintenance, hopefully,
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fifteen plus years into its life.
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We would hope that it is far beyond that because we
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see that the system lifetime as it is stands at around forty years.
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K. Thank you very much for this.
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You mentioned one very important thing.
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One percent of roofers is aware of the
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existence of solar tiles.
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What can we do in order to turn it to ten percent,
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twenty percent, thirty percent?
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Yeah. Perfect question, Mike.
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I mean, it's it's it's occasions like these where we
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talk about it and interested,
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people learn about it and then spread the news.
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It's not just about Altag.
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Altag is just as well about energy transition as it is
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about its own economic success.
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We obviously want to make it as easy as possible for everybody
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who wants to to adapt that.
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But set setting that aside, is it talking about it,
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spreading the message,
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letting people know that there is something like building
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integrated photovoltaics,
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that there is something like the special segment of a solar roof tile,
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and ideally then letting people know that there is even
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something as as as wonderful as as our
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solar roof tile technology enabled systems due to all the
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benefits that can reap from using that particular technology.
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So in in that regard, it's it's it's word-of-mouth.
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It's spreading spreading the word,
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letting people know who are in similar situations that you've
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heard about something and that there's more possible than a
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lot of people actually think is possible and that the industry
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has further progressed because we're not just here for a
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couple of months.
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We are a ten year old company in our fourth product
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generation working with industry blue chips in the
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building industry.
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So this is a a very solid setup.
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We provide product and performance guarantees of
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twenty five years, So there's really, from that end,
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nothing or little to worry about other than getting to
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know that it's possible.
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K. Thank you very much for this.
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On which markets you are currently available?
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Which countries?
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We actually work opportunistically.
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Obviously, the system characteristics need to fit to to the to the system
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Necessities in a given geography.
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Our home market is Germany.
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Our second
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growth markets are Switzerland and Austria.
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We have a very close connection to Norway because there we have
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the furthest progressed industry partner using solar
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technology from our tag
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and in and assembling that fully automatically on their
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existing rooftops at Skaldnes in Norway.
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We are in Denmark, in the Netherlands, in Belgium,
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and in Luxembourg.
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We have first projects in Northern Italy,
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and we're looking to enter Ireland, England, and Spain.
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France is on the map as well.
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So as the capacity on the production side
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increases, we obviously look to service more markets.
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Currently,
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demand is higher than the possible supply,
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so we're we're doing our utmost to to gain investor interest
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in order to push for that production growth.
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So, yeah, those that is the market set up as of now, basically,
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Europe as we speak.
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Thank you very much for this.
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Another question coming from coming from the audience.
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This is Magdalena Savitska.
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What business outcomes do you expect from investing in
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digital tools?
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Is it about supporting your way to go from a niche
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amass, accelerating the growth, spreading the info about the solution?
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It's basically hitting the nail the the nail on his
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head, Magdalena.
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Thanks for the question.
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We actually want to do away with any entry
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obstacles to stakeholders of the segment.
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So whatever holds some a person
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back adapting it, be it be it a
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customer, be it an architect, be it a roofer,
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we wanna do away with these obstacles and make it as easy
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as we can in order for them to have full full
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transparency, what it takes, what it's gonna look like,
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and how it how much it's gonna cost.
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So in terms of our investment into the digital
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tool set, this indeed is an investment
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into the ease of the use of the product and
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lesser so a business segment in itself.
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We support and help retail customers just as
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well as the the the roof tile manufacturers or
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the roofers in the use and adaptation of the system and
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its characteristics and provide for them the best possible user experience.
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Thank you very much for this.
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Once again, ladies and gentlemen,
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I would like to encourage everybody to visit Altar dot com.
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It's an absolutely beautiful service.
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There are actually more than one company behind it.
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Merit provided engineering capabilities in order to make it grow.
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We have some nice plans for the upcoming weeks also coming soon.
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Kai, is there anything that you would like to tell the
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audience, tell the people, tell the market
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by yourself without any questions asked from my side,
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some free thoughts coming out from your heart,
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out from your mind?
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Don't reinvent the wheel if you don't need to.
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I think there's a lot to do in terms of
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technology, market approach,
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and keeping your customer base happy.
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And the way we chose, for example,
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and that's why Marek's and I'll talk actually joined forces
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is you guys might you've you've done similar elements in the past as well.
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You have a growing understanding of solar and its
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peculiarities and specialties in a in a in a growing depth.
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So this this obviously supports our mission because it makes
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the process more efficient,
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more timely because time to market is always an element
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that that is high on the agenda.
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And I feel it is it is nice to see
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that the availability of services in this
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entire ecosystem is growing alongside
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because we are by no means able to do it all by ourselves.
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We never follow that philosophy.
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We take advantage of the pros where we can find them here
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with Merix when it comes to the setup of our digital services
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and the front end to the customers and and let us focus
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on what we do best, designing, engineering,
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and manufacturing climate tech in Europe.
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So that that is something that I would advise to try.
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Obviously, there's there's then an obstacle where you can say,
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okay, Merrick's now doing in a in a in a hypothetical
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world all the setups for different building integrated
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solar providers.
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I I I wouldn't shy away from it because at the end of the day,
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we're all professionals.
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The market segment is so huge and we we really
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operate here on on an eye level trust.
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So go for it, I'd say,
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and make best use of existing ecosystem in order for you to
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focus on what you do best.
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Thank you very much for this.
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Ladies and gentlemen,
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if any questions would come up to your mind,
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you would like to address them to our today's guests,
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please feel free to contact company called Outarc
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using their beautiful service, using their social media.
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They are on LinkedIn. The website is developing.
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There's more than one language available at the moment.
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If you would like to talk about the digital site,
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you can contact me or any of my colleagues.
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I would like to say thank you for thank you, Kai,
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for being together today with us.
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Thanks for having me.
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Thank you all for watching.
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Have a beautiful rest of the week.
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Nice Valentine's and so on,
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and we will get back to you with another show soon.
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Thank you very much, and have a good one.
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Wonderful. Good day, everybody. Bye bye.
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